Buchanan, Bush # 2, Lincoln,F.D.R, Wilson, T. R., Mckinely, LBJ, Nixon, and Jefferson, just for letting the Federalists do what they want without fighting them. In that order ( except T.J.)
How is Bush worse than FDR? Bush is just FDR-lite!
It seems that Lincoln is high on the list, but I think Buchanan was bad because he did not settle sucession. His ignorance led to Lincoln’s evil slaughter and dictatorship
Your right. One made SS and the the other Tried To Create a disastor, but at least FDR was smart
My teacher said something today in class that I thought you all would get a kick out of. He said “Abe Lincoln is Lennin with somewhat of a conscience.”
From the line starting with Good Presidents on down to the end, how about a sample of the policies upon which you based your decision?
I’m going to predict (hoping that I’m wrong) here that Obama is going to be even worse president than Bush. He’s going to continue military aggression (his website doesn’t even mention the date of pullout), ruin healthcare, prolong recession by inept interference and raising taxes, waste billions on “cooling the planet”, make all sorts of energy more expensive by not allowing more oil drills, more nuclear plants or whatever else the environmentalist view as harmful (practically everything). And I really doubt he’s going to undo any damage that Bush has done to the civil liberties in this country. The only change that’s going to be is the change for the worse.
Am I too pessimistic?
Very hard to say. If he gets a pragmatic Treasury secretary then he just might be convinced to strengthen the dollar rather than underwriting massive social engineering and wealth transfer. The overseas commitments go down, and he has some good numbers to show the press and can keep up the slick rhetoric without really harming anything.
But considering the guy made his transition to adulthood in Chicago politics, which is an effing cauldron of resentful, zero-sum socialist bile, I don’t know …
The problem is, Dems control everything today. So he’ll probably not face opposition to any project of his. Yes, Clinton’s healthcare proposal failed, but his plan that looks less socialistic to the general population will most likely go through.
I think Im gonna go with Wilson
Ironically, two most commonly mentioned presidents here are considered to be two of the best by the mainstream history and media.
Lincold freed the slaves!
FDR won the WWII and saved the country from depression!
Hmm… Coincidence?
Byz, isn’t this entire topic like trying to polish a turd? Best President. It’s like picking the best mass murderer, liar and thief.
There are some who didn’t murder at all, Harding for example. Puts him way up high, doesn’t it?
I am new to the forum, but wanted to give my 2 cents in that..
Obama has already penciled in his name along with McCain/W Bush on the huge $700 billion financial bailout this year..and now decided that wasn’t enough so he tapped GM/Ford/Chrysler auto industry for an additional $25 billion and he hasn’t even begun his presidency…
Is Obama the straw that breaks the camel’s back?
How much straw does it take to break the camel’s back?
What happens once the camel’s back is broken?
All interesting questions I think, anyone smarter than me with thoughts?
JFK belongs on the list.
John F. Kennedy was an inexperienced President who refused to listen to those who have been there and done that.
The Bay of Pigs: President Eisenhower told Kennedy not to sign off on the invasion until a popular Cuban government in exile has been established. And that close air support must be provided to support the invasion forces on the ground. JFK failed to take Eisenhower’s advise and warnings.
The Cuban Missile Crisis: JFK gave Kruschev what he wanted. Remove NATO missiles from Turkey. This was kept a secret from the American people for twenty five years. Bobby Kennedy was willing to return GITMO back to Castro. Kruschev just wanted NATO’s missiles removed from Turkey.
Vietnam: Again Eisenhower warned JFK not to get involved in a war in South Vietnam. If communist aggression or expansion is to be checked in Southeast Asia it can only succeed in Laos. JFK decided to not to take Eisenhower’s advice and decided to stop communist aggression at the 17th parallel. The rest is history.
JFK also ordered the regime change of South Vietnam, President Diem and that led to Diem’s murder. From then on, we were obligated to be involved in Vietnam.
LBJ ordered American combat troops in to South Vietnam because he was afraid that Bobby Kennedy would say that LBJ was soft on communism. Remember that Bobby Kennedy was still a big time hawk before he became a left wing dove.
JFK, Bobby Kennedy and the CIA: JFK put his brother, Bobby in charge of CIA special operations. Bobby Kennedy ordered the assassination of Castro. The CIA assassin who was suppose to assassinate Castro was captured in Cuba. The day the CIA assassin was to take out Castro, was they day Oswald assassinated JFK.
It scares the crap out of me when Obama is compared to JFK. Obama has less experience than JFK and JFK had very little inexperience and was tested by our enemies.
I would agree. Many Americans place a lot of value on how many people their leaders can slaughter.
The whole citizen / soldier distinction; if more citizens at least witnessed war in person (not necessarily as soldiers), or at least not sheltered from the horrors of it from the State, I’d imagine a lot more people would change their tune about the value of a human life.
The State needs it sheep to be blind until they hit the battlefield, however. Whoever survives the shock of it all is a Darwinian Hero.
I don’t think people care. Our movies are meant to increase our resistance to gore and death. Our video games glorify killing and conquest.
People care about war, when it hits them in the pocket book. When it threatens directly, their own children.
But sadly, most Americans are now sheep. Or they are completely vile, believing in the glory, nay reveling in the empire’s looting and destruction.
Sorry to get all anti-American, but I feel the same way about Sheeple everywhere regardless of nation. It’s just that Americans seem to provoke and supply weapons to almost every single conflict, whether their blood is spilled or not.
“Starship Troopers”, anyone? 