A difficult matter about WW2

Miscellaneous History
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You see, I see certain threads online, in less moderated forums, where your token holocaust-deniers pop out of nowhere (there’s lots of them online) and say what they usually say.

Interestingly, in another forum, when a holocaust-denier again came up, someone just decided, either for amuse or for making a strong point, to start posting a whole set of images of dead famished bodies laid pile on pile, as people usually do in such threads.

Here’s the problem. One million Germans also died or disappeared in British concentration camps. Some of those images, I know for sure, are images of dead Germans from British concentration camps. Some of those images, I know for sure, are of dead gypsies, Jews, and other minorities in German concentration camps. Some of them I have not seen before and are a little ambiguous looking. Normally, you recognize a German officer in uniform in a picture, but when it’s just a simple picture of an emaciated character in a bed or dead on ground, it could either be a British or a German concentration camp image.

Sometimes, it seems these people foolishly type in “concentration camp” in Google image search, and post famous pictures of starved Dutchmen in British concentration camps in Africa, and even then show those too as holocaust images.

Believe me, I am not the biggest history buff out there, but it’s a basic fact that concentration camps are a British invention and perfected by the British too (although they made them for wartime purposes), and American eugenicists and racial supremacists (some of whom included Woodrow Wilson) also had theoretically devised plans for concentration camps for isolating undesirable characters, like poor illiterate whites, mentally disabled, and certain racial groups. Heavens knows if it was the ideas of these people which influenced the Nazis; British Fabian socialists also harboured quite a few unfortunate ideas that would today be easily labelled Nazi.

So, you know, when people post these images, I am a little tempted to type in that those are probably images of Dutchmen or Germans…but you know that this would be a bad move. I could easily be labelled as a fellow member of the cabal of those holocaust-deniers or someone pursuing the same agenda as them. So I don’t say anything.

Here’s the question of this topic: Have there been men brave enough in those times to condemn their own respective societies for largely having the same evils in themselves that the Nazis did? How many British condemned their own use of concentration camps?

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Many are probably not even aware of their existence and there seems to be a pervasive cultural denial about these incidents in history. In South Africa we were taught about the concentration camps during the Anglo-Boer war pertaining to Afrikaners, but not about the ones for black Africans which surely did exist, but that the British themselves never felt obliged to even document. You wouldn’t find many people admitting today that the Bantustans during Apartheid were concentration camps even though, for all intensive purposes, they were.

How many Americans are knowledgeable of, and readily prepared to condemn, the existence of the Japanese internment camps during WWII, the strategic hamlets of Vietnam and countless other examples. Today the most glaring example would be Guantanamo Bay which pails insignificantly compared with other examples.

To go back to your question, I guess it all comes down to the old “victors get to write history” adage. When people believe their nation was on the side of “right”, and came out as the eventual victors, then all manner of horrific deeds became justifiable by the “righteous” outcome.

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What do you mean? I know of nothing like it. There is the issue of “disappearance” of a large number of German POWs in American custody, but AFAIK that has been credibly shown to have been not a real disappearance but simply - Americans at the time not jet being well versed in bureaucracy - a failure to properly document their release.

In any case Holocaust deniers are strange. So even if Holocaust were a myth? What would that change? Would it make Nazis an OK bunch? Never mind they still killed 3 million Poles and 20 million Soviet civilians and POWs.

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I was unconvinced about some details of the holocaust story until I did a lot of reading and finally found a document saying that modifications of buildings in (I think) Auschwitz for gasssing had been found in the 1990’s. The incredible difficulty of finding that latent tidbit demonstrates the total disregard for verificational etiquette that historians (and everyone involved in holocaust matters since WW2) possess. 99.99% of all writing on the subject simply commands that a given set of events constituting the official holocaust story is true and that any doubt of this bald command is sin. So, the frequency of “Holocaust Denial”, which is legally defined as skepticism of any part of the Supreme Court established details of the Holocaust, can hardly be surprising.

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Good question and there is a good answer. It would change jews from being special to being just another bunch of victims of statist BAU and draw attention to the fact that the occurance was not a lone, isolated and inexplicable (such as by Marx et al) anomaly, the likes of which couldn’t possibly happen anywhere else or ever again for any particular reason. Which I am certain is the reason that the far and away red slanted history profession does everything it can to specialize it.