Other than having worldwide anarchy, what would’ve been an Austrian way for Americans to have stopped Hitler?
I know that it wouldn’t have happened had world war i not happened, and had there been no central bank, but considering that those obstacles existed, what could Americans (or even all non-Germans) have done completely voluntarily?
There may be some things about the Holocaust I don’t know, so that’s why I’m asking. I know FDR didn’t really care about saving European Jews from Hitler but that’s all I really know.
It’s hard to wrap logic of anything such as the Holocaust happening in the time span it did, in the time of history it did.
To set up an example, what would people do if some government happened to enslave a portion of it’s population and murder them? How can anyone think that no one would stand up and fight the government that is putting them in labor camps?
What would happen if the US government started putting a portion of it’s population in camps? People would fight politically and physically to resist these actions. Once knews of it would be known those who also have sentiment towards the oppressed would refuse to trade with the USA.
No one knew of the Holocaust til after the Holocaust “happened”. I find the entire question hypothetical and subject to conspiracy.
I think this has been questioned before. I don’t know who knew of the mass murder taking place in gas chambers, but that the Germans were killing Jews I think was known by various world governments (my grandfather, a Jew who fought as a GI, however, said that he didn’t know when he joined that there was a genocide occuring; he only knew that treatment of Jews was well substandard).
Best answer. Many countries, including in instances USA, doomed Jews by refusing them not only refuge, but permission to travel through!
Also, many people knew about the genocide, but ignored it. Lion Feuchtwanger has several prominent anti-Nazi books out already in the early 30! But his fellow communists ignored it. That’s also the reason Karl Wittfogel quit being a communist, because he experienced concentration camp in the 1930’s.
Germany allowed the Jews to leave Germany, and those who remained were put into labor camps. The immigration records shows a large amount of Jews entering neighboring countries before the actual outbreak of war.
Jonathan, do you happen to know if people knew whether there were killings at all (just not to the extent of the Holocaust) or Jews just had bad living conditions, etc. due to the Nazis?
Also, when was the extent of the Holocaust acknowledged publically? After the war?
Jonathan, do you happen to know if people knew whether there were killings at all (just not to the extent of the Holocaust) or Jews just had bad living conditions, etc. due to the Nazis?
The Jews had an olympic size swimming pool for recreational use, delousing stations, and public showers.
The USG might not have known about the Nazi genocide taking place, but they did know about the Soviet genocide taking place (yet allied with it anyway!).
My grandfather was a Partisan during WW2 fighting for the communists in Yugoslavia. He never mentioned any mass murders at concentration camps. On the other hand, there were also many individuals that fought for the Ustasa (Croatian fascists) in my village, or were the descendents of those that fought for the Ustasa, and they claimed to have witnessed mass murders at such camps. But they always mentioned the fact that Jews merely comprised a small minority of those that were butchered (along with Gypsies, Communists, other minorities, etc). Additionally, my friends grandfather was trapped in a Croatian concentration camp during WW2; he said that he was treated harshly, but never mentioned any mass murders.
Unfortunately, this topic is extremely emotional. We’re not allowed to talk about it; we must just accept whatever we’re told in public schools.
This is complete nonsense. Even if it’s true, which I doubt, it would be the exception, and not the rule.
The Nazis orchestrated and conducted the entire Holocaust operation practically out in the open. For everyone to see. The Nazis themselves were quite amazed by how far they can go with practically no serious outcry.
Also, some common sense. You don’t murder millions of innocent civilians in high-tech death factories constructed especially for this task without “rumors” leaking out, to say the least. There were entire German units specifically created for the task of finding the victims, transporting them, and finally murdering them. you’re talking about thousands and thousands of personnel; military and civilian.
You think the truck driver delivering food supply to a death camp who saw and smelled the fumes of human flesh burning, thought to himself: Oh, their grilling those ribs again? Give me a break!
Yes because it’s so fucken hard to believe that a State can engage in a systematic mass murder. Right!
The US government can kill a million innocent civiillians with two bombls, but of course the Germans, Yeah.. these guys are really compassionate. If they enslaved Jews in camps, they probably constructed recreational pools and tennis courts. Yeah, real NAZI country clubs.
Here’s a rule of thumb for you since your education on this issue is severely skewed. Whenever they teach you about atrocities that a State has committed, any State, it was probably even worse in reality.
Where in Yugoslavia? My grandfather was a partisan in the Trieste region, on the border of Yugoslavia and Italy (he was resisting the German occupation as an Italian).
It depends what you mean. Certainly it was common knowledge that Jews were exiled into ghettoes etc. but the massacres etc. only really began after the war had already started. By that point the major concern was the military advance of the Axis, so even if some knowledge of the concentration camps existed amongst the Allies, it was of secondary importance due to the very real possibility of total military defeat.
DD5, there is no evidence what-so-ever of any type of gas chamber used specifically for the extermination of human bodies. Search all you want for so called evidence, I can counter it with anything you provide.
There are delousing stations, and crematories for the already dead bodies.
Common sense would ensue to keep your work force alive, and not gas them to death. There’s not a single written statement from Hitler or Himmler about anything about the extermination of the Jewish population.
Here’s a rule of thumb for you since your education on this issue is severely skewed. Whenever they teach you about atrocities that a State has committed, any State, it was probably even worse in reality.
Here’s a rule of thumb for you since your education on this issue is severely corrupted. Whenever the State teaches you about atrocities another State has committed, any State, it was probably severely exaggerated at the hands of special interests.
For education start with Holocaust Revisionism For Beginners. It’s on YouTube.
I’ve already discussed this on previous thread probably no more than a month ago.
Because National Socialism was driven by commons sense. Right.
and minimum wage laws, depreciating your currency, socialized health care, the war on terror, … all don’t exist because they really don’t make any economic sense. Any other such fallacies?
The State taught me absolutely nothing. Don’t worry about what the State has taught me.
DD5, when you actually provide a civil, non condescending response with substance to what I posted I’ll take you seriously. Other than that my argument still stands and I provided a source to look to. I’m not here to defend National Socialism, I’m here questioning what happened in Nazi Germany during the so called “Holocaust”.