Anthropology does not recognize race as anything more than a cultural creation Bert. There is more genetic diversity in 1 troop of chimps than the entire human species.
Out of africa theory.
DNA mapping
Biological “Eve.”
All of these refute your assertion.
The “we are all the same race” is a lie which falls the second you watch a sports race. Why are the best runners black? Aren’t we the same race? No we are not. We are all human, but different, men, women, chinese, black. That doesn’t mean of course we can’t live peaceful, we can easily. But don’t say things that are not true. There is a lot of genetic difference. Just a start. BLOOD. You may die if you get blood from a different type, even when he is from “the same species”.
Back to the topic, I agree, statism creates anti-semitism, by forced integration that doesn’t work, by redistribution, wrong history, money monopolies that ended in jewish hands, anti-semitism is a by-product and result of statism. But statism was highly pushed by jewish through history.
And the manipulation of history does not help, I believe they have ended (and will end) trapped by their own machinations.
The answer to anti-semitism is related to the jewish question, where they came from, and no, the “sacred texts” are nothing but a relatively modern scam which distracts the attention, how was the world before, in ancient times, how were they spread all around the world and they unified through solid strong links between them. Anti-semitism goes back in history, and so should we in our search. Of course there had been modern offspring’s like zionism, and whatever was in ancient times will help to explain the basis for anti-semitism, which is real and needs a big explanation.
Please don’t speak for me.
And the “Out of africa theory” is just that, a theory, wrong by the way, supported by many others, like the Pangea theory, the current evolution theory, the artificially longer version of human history…
RH- alone disproves the evolution theory (jumping now to religion is false dichotomy, so don’t).
Another false premise is the static one, believing ancient Earth was as it is now, the same size, position in space, same climate, same magnetic poles, same continents. Pangea and tectonics are anything but solid theories, there are other theories like an expanding/growing earth.
It would be more reasonable to theorize we came from the current (but former green) north pole as they are common in many mythologies, or even chinese asia by statistical analysis of population numbers.
I would take more caution, even C14 is highly complex dependent on many variables and always assuming laboratory static not changing conditions on earth, which is incredibly naive.
There is a lot of genetic difference
No, there is not. There is very very little genetic diversity in the human species.
The first top ten sprinters list I found only had 5 of 10 as “black.” And this “black” was varying shades from ethiopia and mozambique, ot jamaican and american.
Also, black people can be both type A and type B blood, as can whites, and chinese, and native americans.
I don’t know a single scientist, or science minded person who believes the earth has ever been static. so that’s just crazy.
C-14 assumes that the decay of carbon is always the same. It has nothing to do w the static conditions of earth, that don’t exist. And as of yet, no one has been able to show that carbon does not decay at a set rate (as well as every other element), so I can reasonably trust C14. There are limitations to it, but nothing having to do with what you’re talking about.
What is RH?
Are you saying differences in race do not exist? Are you saying that this is not recognized by science? If so, what’s someone who’s Russian compared to someone who’s Irish? Is there any racial difference? What about someone who’s Indian compared to someone who’s African?
Multiregional Origin of Modern Humans
Blacks, Whites, and Asians Have Different Ancestors
Australia Challenges Out-of-Africa Theory
All of this proves my assertion.
Could you guys get back on topic (or start a new thread) please.
Back on topic to what? I thought the original post of this thread was to disprove anti-Semitism and the differences in race (which actually was to counter the previous threads on the Holocaust, in which somehow I guess that’s anti-Semitic according to some people here so this thread was made), in which I’m refuting.
R1b is a sub-clade within the much larger Eurasian MNOPS “macro-haplogroup”, which is one of the predominant groupings of all human male lines outside of Africa, and this whole group, along indeed with all of macro-haplogroup F, is believed to have originated in Asia
Haplogroup R1b. Mainly found in Western Europe, Central Africa and South West Asia
However, Bakshi — who has no training as an anthropologist
“His is a highly confused argument which jumps enormous levels, which are quite impossible to link,” Tobias said.
“Mungo Man” has a genetic line which has vanished
The ANU researchers say that because Mungo Man is modern anatomically, yet has a vanished DNA line,
Mises is much stronger on ideas than he is on talking about physical facts (though given the book was written 70 years ago some forgiveness should be made). The point of the passage is not his comments on anthropology. It’s passages like this:
The Nazi doctrine isn’t based on anthropology at all. Ultimately all of the racist talk is a pathetic veneer. THAT is Mises’s point here.
Bert, I have had absolutely no personal qualms about the idea that biology could play some strong role in how people can perform or act in certain specific situations.
I just think it’s analysis that doesn’t serve any purpose.
The difference between you and I would be that you are something of a materialist determinist, while I am what used to be called a social Darwinist. Now, social Darwinism is an idea now stretched way out of its originally intended meaning, but it’s meant to refer to the folksy conventional wisdom notion that goes against the idea that science can explain or understand human society or human nature (the opposite of a “Darwinist” like, say, Thomas Huxley). In my genuinely humble opinion, most online racialists are a part of a broader group of people who are the victim of “scientism” - the idea that science can explain complicated things of human life and existence, which is a point where science either becomes a substitute religion or enters pseudo-religious territory.
Yes, biology can explain how we conquered germs and micro-organisms, built up resistance to harsh winters, and developed according to our nutritional intake. Yet it can never directly explain why human beings develop a system of morality, why humans have law and order, why humans live in particular kinds of organized societies, why humans debate, why humans are the only creatures who can talk about biology itself. That’s something which we are already equipped to understand, however, because we are human. So that’s the limitations of racialists - they will always fail, because somewhere they feel they can contradict human nature or generalities about human life to speak of things in scientific terms of race. Just the way casuitry fails where technique is necessary, technique fails where casuitry is necessary.
Back To Topic
von Mises would not consider himself a kindred spirit of other international Jews, because he was raised as a German, spoke German, lived among Germans, and cultivated the habits and cultures of Germans. I don’t know why you use the words “host culture”. As if he were a temporary guest living at his German host’s pleasure. He is a German. Even if there were a strong culturo-biological connection between him and other Jews abroad, such a thing would be scientism, a thing that von Mises rejected. It would be absurd to categorize human beings like cattle according to breed and specimen. Are you to argue that because Middle Eastern people are white Caucasians and because Western Europeans are white Caucasians, they are one and the same?
As it is, von Mises himself rightly argued that Israel, Zionism, Jewish nationalism were based on a revivalist notion of culture among people who were actually Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, and Russians. Those people tried to force Hebrew speech into their daily lives, even though Hebrew was never spoken by Jews in the Meditterranean - they only spoke Koine and Aramaic. Hebrew was a religious language. Such a thing is purely artificial culture, an alternative lifestyle created by metropolitan urban elites who got taken into fashionable thoughts of race and ethnicity and a recreating a nation based on it.
The Nazi doctrine isn’t based on anthropology at all. Ultimately all of the racist talk is a pathetic veneer. THAT is Mises’s point here.
The Nazi doctrine is irrelevant and I don’t see why it would even be brought up. Are we to argue policies the Nazis used within a certain time frame for the removal of Jews, or anthropology? (Honestly, Mises’ critique of Nazism is rather poor. I’ve read better ones that don’t focus on pathetic stereotypes.)
Are you to argue that because Middle Eastern people are white Caucasians and because Western Europeans are white Caucasians, they are one and the same?
I’m arguing that Middle Eastern and Europeans are different.
A good 400 pages criticism of C14 can be found at http://www.paf.li/c14crash.pdf [German] I’m looking for the English translation now.
With RH I mean the Rh blood group system (including the Rh factor) and the famous Hemolytic disease, it’s a big hole in the theory as ape descendants.
Going back to topic, I see someone needs to act as devil’s advocate. I will quote Mises chapter;
For, says Hitler, “the gulf which separates the lowest so-called human beings from our most noble races is broader than the gulf between the lowest men and the highest apes.”
Someone could point the fact of the lower rape rate in german occupied zones, against the higher one in soviet and american/allied one. The americans and soviet were more consumed my revenge as history and summary executions show. What if he is right? Why can’t you consider the possibility? Have you give it a chance at least, that culture and history influences how people behave? That there could be differences therefore?
“It is obvious that this noble race has a fair claim to world hegemony.”
Ejem, ejem…Sorry but, aren’t Jews God chosen?
“In this shape the Nordic myth serves the national vanity.”
The nordic version is a myth, but the great honorable peaceful advance Latin/Roman Ancient Empire that was “discovered” in the Middle Ages is a reality? There are hundreds of books and a big list of famous people of all centuries pointing out the myth of the ancient Greek and Romans, it’s curious everybody forgot about them in the middle ages and suddenly monks discovered ancient hidden books in the woods. It’s been proven history has been manipulated and artificially created in the XVI, XVII centuries by Scaliger and Petavius for backwards political rule and justification.
We are told the nordic were brutal vikings and the romans our protectors, but, where they? Maybe they just won and wrote their version of history.
Even the greatest thinkers can not see everything, Mises was raised in that myth, as we all are and that influenced him. He also forgets to be critic when he says;
“according to this hypothesis, they immigrated into Europe only some 1800 years ago”
There is nothing that can be dated back more than to the XII century, no original document survived. Old and New testament were created in XVI century, the Vatican in the XV later “discovering” lists of ancient popes and inventing a long history to give them authority. Judaism not much before.
Ask for the oldest originals, see how far you go, those who research it, like Edwin Johnson, Morozov or Anatoly Fomenko show how it was created and faked to be older to appear more legit.
“It has proved impossible to differentiate the Jewish Germans anthropologically from the non-Jewish ones. In the field of anthropology there is neither a Jewish race nor Jewish racial characteristics.”
Before marrying, Rabbis ask them to submit to genetic tests to avoid genetic illness to affect jews much more than non-jews. So yes, there is a race, of course not 3000 years old, but several centuries.
Have you seen how China is now going to space and how it has “ancient history” and mighty “nukes”? To prove it’s a worthy power it has to have all these fake legitimacy enhancers!
“homogeneous race of noblemen. Within this noble race”
Well, maybe they are noble. How many wars and empires had the Germans created in history? How many colonies and countries have the attacked before the XX century? It wasn’t the Germans who committed Genocide in America and India, but British, Spaniards and French.
Between libertarians starting less or no wars at all should be a point to be noble right? And if in their wars they ask for armistice (WW1), let the enemy escape and offer honorable peace (Dunkirk WW2) and refuse to fire-bomb enemy cities for months (WW2, Churchill started Total War)…maybe if they lost the war, just as in WW1 they were told to have all the blame of the war… maybe they did the same in WW2! Could it be possible they did the same in WW2 than in WW1 ? Mmh…
Maybe not unifying in a total state until very late is noble for the libertarians, holy, they stood as separate truly independent mini states a hundred years longer than the Americans!
Maybe the real heroes are the Germans, when they were living in peace in small states the Americans were murdering indians and killing themselves in civil war!
But yes, the Germans are the Ayrans who wanted to rule the world (Not the american, british or the Spanish who actually ruled it)
Are you sure you are not using the germans to push all the british/american culpability charges on them and distract attention?
Why did I even bother…
“It is obvious that this noble race has a fair claim to world hegemony.”
Ejem, ejem…Sorry but, aren’t Jews God chosen?
This is an example of ignorance and equivocation.
The Jews are chosen for what purpose? to dominate? or to take on obligations beyond the noahide laws?
rather different beasts.
A good 400 pages criticism of C14 can be found at http://www.paf.li/c14crash.pdf [German] I’m looking for the English translation now.
With RH I mean the Rh blood group system (including the Rh factor) and the famous Hemolytic disease, it’s a big hole in the theory as ape descendants.
I’m not finding anything on RH diproving natural selection
The nordic version is a myth, but the great honorable peaceful advance Latin/Roman Ancient Empire that was “discovered” in the Middle Ages is a reality? There are hundreds of books and a big list of famous people of all centuries pointing out the myth of the ancient Greek and Romans, it’s curious everybody forgot about them in the middle ages and suddenly monks discovered ancient hidden books in the woods. It’s been proven history has been manipulated and artificially created in the XVI, XVII centuries by Scaliger and Petavius for backwards political rule and justification.
We are told the nordic were brutal vikings and the romans our protectors, but, where they? Maybe they just won and wrote their version of history.
Even the greatest thinkers can not see everything, Mises was raised in that myth, as we all are and that influenced him. He also forgets to be critic when he says;
“according to this hypothesis, they immigrated into Europe only some 1800 years ago”
There is nothing that can be dated back more than to the XII century, no original document survived. Old and New testament were created in XVI century, the Vatican in the XV later “discovering” lists of ancient popes and inventing a long history to give them authority. Judaism not much before.
Ask for the oldest originals, see how far you go, those who research it, like Edwin Johnson, Morozov or Anatoly Fomenko show how it was created and faked to be older to appear more legit.
Wow. I think this effectively signals that any conversation with you will not be a productive one.
I’m not here to convert anybody, if you are happy believing myths about ancient Rome which nobody saw or heard off except in literature it’s up to you. If you believe the absurd idea of the refuted “dark ages” you are free to do so. Just don’t dare to hold the moral high ground please. Some of us have actually researched and read the “history” we were told in school. You are welcome to do the same.
I don’t talk about jet engines, because I haven’t researched it, but it’s astonishing how everybody talk about what happened thousands of years ago. Is it you talking or are you repeating the court historians? Do you know politicians lie? To get power? To seem legit? Do you know the church and the states did the same, claim their religion has been for thousand and five hundred years, and that the princes were the successors of great empires with royal lines going to eternity. Do you ever research anything you are told? I gave you just three names, I can give you many more you can easily check online.
Why waste the time, if someone is interested he will find out. Long live ignorance! The readers of the literature who travel to Rome in the middle ages were angered the Romans didn’t know their great history! They didn’t found any ancient temples of great past because the city was founded in the XIV century. Trust the literature, mythology and political history make on demand with books “discovered” when they were required to. You surely believed the “evidence” of Sadam WMD was faked and created when ordered to, but can’t think the same happened when the church took over? That they claimed to be ancient dating centuries and burned all the books and documents that contradicted it? That the reformation just happened then, not centuries ago? Did you know that Netwon was afraid when they published his book stating thousands of years were faked in Egypt and the middle ages? That professors in the Renascence said history was being created and falsified, not “discovered” in ancient forgotten monasteries, there was no Renascence, it was just a nascence, no ancient art was being re-discovered, it was created for the first time, and history make longer for political rule. Don’t tell me you never figure something wrong with the centuries of dark ages? Really? Come on…there was nothing before the middle ages, some historians believe their role was to give examples, and created honorable republics. Platon was Pletinus in the middle Ages and a copy of him sent to the past, the same with Scholarius(Aristotele) and many empires are copies of the same with different names and heroes, the trojan war was in the XII century and a copy of it sent to a distant past. Go to any museum and ask for the older book or map they have, start digging and ye shall find.
Are you saying that ancient history itself is a Jewish conspiracy?