I believe that Muslims are being set up to be the scapegoats for the economic/political ills of the West by Western Elites. I use the term “West” loosely to refer to US/Europe/UK/etc.
An enlisted friend of mine in the military is constantly talking about how dangerous Islam is and how Muslims are a class apart from all other violent people in the world. I think he is drinking the Kool-Aid being served to him from his higher-ups.
What I find interesting is that while the US government is maintaining an official policy of tolerance towards Muslims, it is internally spreading xenophobia within its ranks. We see the effects of it at the airports and in the FBI’s mock terror plot takedowns - Muslims are always the target.
Now that I’m finally putting the puzzle pieces together, I find it particularly terrifying because the only missing condition from 1933-1944 Germany in US policy circa 2012 is some sub-group to play the scapegoat, as the Jews did under Nazi rule. It is clear to me now that Muslims have been identified as the new scapegoat.
This suggests to me that TPTB do, in fact, intend to ignite a global conflagration (full-scale total war). Muslims are the catalyst for xenophobic policies (e.g. the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, etc.) and they will be fingered as the cause of world war through their Muslim trickery just as the Jews were blamed for forcing the Nazis to go to war because decades or centuries of Jewish trickery had made any peaceful solution to Germany’s problems impossible.
I don’t think the Jewish scapegoating is an accurate comparison. While I do agree muslims in some ways play the patsy to US government action and policy, I do not believe the fault is completely one-sided.
Perhaps it just works because muslims are such good patsys, as the reverence for violence and resulting tendency toward it can easily be used by an enemy.
But to suggest that muslims are just innocent persecuted victims in all this is incredibly naive.
That’s not what I’m suggesting. There are bad apples in any ethnic or religious group. Of course there are violent Muslims and their religious beliefs play the same psychological enabling role in rationalizing murder that the Christian beliefs of the Crusaders did during the Crusades.
But it is my view that the MO of the Elites in starting wars is to always have at hand some group of scapegoats (anarchists, communists, Jews, peaceniks, whatever) and this time around it’s the Muslims. And, yes, countless innocent Muslims are being targeted for surveillance, harassment and - overseas - murder.
But the real point of my post is that I believe I can deduce that the Elites do, in fact, intend to start a global conflagration precisely because they are going to such great lengths to foster anti-Muslim hysteria and xenophobia within their ranks, even though they are putting out an official message of tolerance to the Media.
Look at the NDAA, for example. How can any American support such a monstrosity? The US military can indefinitely detain a US citizen, seized on US soil, without charges, if El Presidente deems this is in the interests of “national security.” Yet the unwritten implication is that this would only ever happen to Muslim Americans and the hardcore anti-Muslim Christian establishment in the US (the types that are crazy enough to vote for Santorum) forms the foundation of support for this obviously stupid and evil law that’s going to snap right back on all Americans, Muslim or not.
This sentence makes it seem like one of the reasons there is animousity between the US government and Muslims is because some muslims opened up the Quran and realized they hate americans. I mean I’m sure you know better than that but I’m interested as to why you decided to make this statement as if it has anything to do with the US vs. Muslims. It doesn’t as far as I see.
Perhaps an incident in some tribal village in Pakistan where intolerance and murder took place could be used as a reason for the US to shore up domestic support for persucuting muslims- but then the people who have nothing to do with an incident like that who are tracked through the NYPD’s huge spying effort on Muslims in different colleges- or the drone strikes that blow people to bits- those people are completely innocent persecuted victims. Any afghan, iraqi, pakistani, libyan killed by the united states is a victim.
I don’t know. The worst Islamophobia you have is unofficial and does not come from polite society. From official channels you have a facade of PC tolerance. Recall the recent appology for destroying Korans in Afghanistan. Official US has little trouble paying lipp service to Muslims, to accomodate them rhetorically and to acknowledge their grievances. Compare this to earlier demonization of Serbs, when it was precisely the guardians of political correctness who were the most chauvinistic.
That “apology” is pretty standard. Hey we bombed and wiped out a village “oops- wer’e sorry”. Its actually more insulting than anything else. I think those apologies are more to accomodate the people here at home to make it seem like the United States doesn’t have the image of the “invader”. It has nothing to do with acknowledging Muslim or Afghan grievances. Like “hey man, I didn’t kill your family for me. I did it for you! For your freedom!”. Its more descipable this way than if they were just open with who they were and what they were fighting for.
“This is not just about dishonoring the Koran, it is about disrespecting our dead and killing our children,” said Maruf Hotak, 60, a man who joined the crowd on the outskirts of Kabul, referring to an episode in Helmand Province when American Marines urinated on the dead bodies of men they described as insurgents and to a recent erroneous airstrike on civilians in Kapisa Province that killed eight young Afghans.
“They always admit their mistakes,” he said. “They burn our Koran and then they apologize. You can’t just disrespect our holy book and kill our innocent children and make a small apology.”
I know it is just empty words. But point is the Nazis didn’t openly uphold the Jews as generally good guys, with some bad apples among them, adhering to a “religion of peace” and then worked to spark hatred against them covertly.
They demonized them through official channels. Anti-semitism was official orthodoxy and to hate them was the expression of outmost Nazi political correctness.
It means nothing of the sort - there are indeed violent Muslims (bad apples) and Islam plays the same role in dehumanizing outsiders that Christianity does for those in Christian countries (yes, it still does play this role today).
And you are absolutely right that Muslims are angry with the US government because of - most lately - its decade-long war of atrocity in slow-motion against Muslims in their own homelands. That’s leaving aside all the dirty dealing we’ve been engaging in since the end of the Cold War.
JJ’s point was that there are Muslim extremists. OK. There are. So what? There are extremists of every variety. My point is that the xenophobia in the ranks of the US government has nothing to do with the fact of Muslim extremists; my view is that it simply happens to serve some other objective they have in mind (scapegoating).
I’ve been watching official US rhetoric and laws for signs of official anti-Muslim policy. What I realized after talking to my buddy is that they’re being more clever than that. Officially, Muslims are not targets. But unofficially, it’s all about the dangers that Muslims pose to America, and so on, and they are - indeed - targeted both here and abroad. So, we have a de facto xenophobia - that’s been obvious since 2001 but my recent realization is that this is a conscious strategy of disciplined double-speak on the part of senior leadership in the US government. “Muslism are the threat. All Muslims. Spread the word. But don’t you dare say a word about it to the media and we don’t do ‘profiling’, you got it?”
The US government is operating on the law of force - we have more force so we can do what we want. There is no legal basis for any of our actions, including the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both were illegal, unprovoked aggressions. Only in the echo-chamber of US media and in the bizarro world of US/international politics are these invasions held to be lawful.
The constellation of drones being laid over the Earth like a blanket is truly Orwellian. Afghanistan and Iraq are just proving grounds for the latest control measures to be deployed here at home. Unfortunately, I think we’re going to have to go through many years of abuse of power before people wake up and begin to revolt against these cattle-stall control measures.
I know and that’s why I asked the question because a generalization like that seems completely worthless to me in having any kind of discussion. The only point of saying that is to imply that the majority do. For example if I were to say that “christians have a tendency towards white supremicism”- then someone objected and I said “Ohh no I didn’t mean ALL christians- I was talking about the Klu Klux Klan”. That just doesn’t make any sense.
Yes, and that’s what I think is different this time. Everything else is the same. The total economic and political control is there but what’s apparently missing is some kind of official “Hate the _________!” This time around, they’re doing it through unofficial channels. Fundamentalist churches are an unofficial network for spreading Islamophobia among the populace while the US government has made anti-Muslim xenophobia a de facto policy within its ranks while maintaining a Media-messaging discipline of “tolerance” etc. The reality is that all the pieces are in place. All that is needed is a trigger event, a Gulf of Tonkin incident. I am predicting that a major war is going to happen.
I think functionaries, including elected Democrats, generally recognize that in the end they benefit from popular anti-Muslim sentiment and are therefore privately quite fine with it, but I don’t think it has to do with any grand conspiracy. It’s just the usuall stuff of making wars easier and defence contracts going.
I don’t know what the difference is between a conspiracy and a grand conspiracy. All I know is that there is a pattern to how wars are started and that there is, indeed, a caste of Elite families who have multi-generational expertise in the art of starting, winning and profiting from wars. I see now that all the components of the war pattern are present. War is imminent. To be more specific, if the economy does well during 2012, I think we won’t see war until early 2013 (post-election) but if the economy begins to tank we could have war earlier (pre-election). They are trying to prop the economy up with money printing in order to keep popular sentiment sunny and re-elect their current Golden Boy. But if the economy starts to tank anyway, they’re prepared to make an early move in order to rally the country around the War President and get him re-elected that way. Either way, a major war is coming.
I don’t think it’s elaborate. In my opinion they don’t know what they are going to do 6 months from now. So I don’t think this Muslim think is something they ever planned for either. Perhaps that explains it better.
Well, the reserves are starting to move from the Fed to certain areas of “economy”, which will cause a small boom that will be enough for Obama to get re-elected. But as we all know, those reserves will eventually spread to everywhere else, including oil. Oil will go past $150 at some point after Obama re-elections, but something will happen that will cause oil to go past $200 or even $300, but this will be blamed Muslim terrorists or Iran.
If anything, it will be Syria, Iran, or some combination attacking Israel or some place that will cause extreme shock in Americans and the rest of the West. But this will be a false flag, OR it could actually be statists in Iran that go ahead and do it on behalf of TPTB.
That Iran would actually do an attack is probably something that many of us Austro-Libertarians haven’t accepted. After all, why would Iran do it knowing that they would get annihilated? Why the hell not, if Ahmadinejad and the other Iranian statists get paid to do it? Do the attack, go to war, half the Persian population gets nuked, then fake Ahmadinejad’s death, and then they could spend the rest of their lives hidding somewhere in the world, just like the so many Nazis did after WWII.
I agree 100% with what Clayton said because the U.S. sacrificed its own citizens and blamed Muslims for it so they could invade the lands of the muslims. With more than 1 million Iraqi civilians dead just at the hands of GWB, that makes him worse than OBL could be in the wildest dreams of the latter.
Clayton is also right when he says everyone is going to feel the snapback. I guess the snapback will be hyperinflation but it could be something else.
