I’ve heard doctors say that vaccines did not eradicate smallpox or polio, and in fact the outbreaks did not decrease after the vaccine was introduced…what did eradicate those diseases then?
If you could post any sources that would be appreciated.
Thank you
I don’t have sources, but there was an article recently on lewrockwell.com about this. Do a search there and see.
I think the explanation given was a reduction of some metal in the food, or something like that.
I would love to just get the solid sources for this info…and take away this stupid argument that pro vaccine people throw around ignorantly.
I don’t want anyone saying…vaccines are a huge step in medical evolution…we got rid of two of the most deadly diseases with them…smallpox and polio…
I want the general response to that to be, you’re completely wrong…those vaccines did not get rid of those diseases. This is now general knowledge.
Get over it…
Why would you call those that believe in vaccines ignorant if you don’t even know what else eradicated Polio?
I’m very happy I don’t have polio! I sure am glad I’m not the only polio-john-or-jane, in the U.S.. Whether it’s the nutrition or the power to believe in shots, I’m glad I don’t see it often. Rare diseases are quite shocking! Boy some genetic diseases disfigure for explitive sake. I think it’s perhaps a wonder of the market that these ugly sicknesses are lessened. Shame! The market be free of more nasties ridded by wonderful inovation. I am amazed inovation persists dispite heavy-bad interventionism. Like; the Tetris inventor, (or public works engineers?) a slave that worked hard and made a nice thing. I don’t dig shots, but I’d rather not have me, or my loved ones get the nasties. If the despot sicken us all, he hath no kingdom!
“Why would you call those that believe in vaccines ignorant if you don’t even know what else eradicated Polio?”
lol…
that is a very good question.
I should have said, if the evidence comes out that polio and smallpox were eradicted, not because of vaccines, but from different reasons, then I hope everyone quickly learns this truth.
Nutrition. Not eating rotten meat does wonders for the immune system.
It was vaccines, [GRATUITOUS BARB DELETED]
In theory, you are right. If there were some space disease that was highly contagious and fatal, which we developed a vaccine for, vaccines would be the bee’s knees.
But in practice, the vaccines had no effect on a lot of the decline rates of diseases. I won’t write you an extended treatise, and i’m sure there are exceptions to this rule, but the majority of vaccines seem to fit ino this trend.
“But in practice, the vaccines had no effect on a lot of the decline rates of diseases. I won’t write you an extended treatise, and i’m sure there are exceptions to this rule, but the majority of vaccines seem to fit ino this trend.”
that’s exactly what I’m looking for snowflake…now I just need some sources that explain why those disaeses decreased…
Well, you know, its difficult to know because we don’t have an America where there were vaccines to compare to an America without vaccines. Analytically, there’s no reason vaccines can’t eradicate a disease. But there’s also no reason it can’t die out from other causes either, such as improved nutrition.
So its basically inconclusive. I think the evidence for certain viruses at certain times in history makes a convincing case for vaccines, but they are the exception to the rule. After doing the research I have to conclude that vaccines are one of many ways to eliminate disease in a country.
“So its basically inconclusive. I think the evidence for certain viruses at certain times in history makes a convincing case for vaccines, but they are the exception to the rule. After doing the research I have to conclude that vaccines are one of many ways to eliminate disease in a country.”
But if you take it to the extreme, as western medicine has done and give a baby 7 vaccines at 2 months and another 5 at 4 months and another at etc etc etc…
you bombard their immune system and leave them even more susceptiple to the diseases you’re vaccinating against and do additional damage to their tiny little nervous systems. Not to mention the damage the mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze and other adjunct materials does to these tiny infants.
OP, read here first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
I will not be doing this to my children. As I said, there are probably many ways to treat the spread of disease. Vaccines is only one of these ways, and as you point out may have many negative consequences.
I have researched some of these negative consequences, since as their injection of methyl mercury, and remain skeptical about any real harm a vaccine can do a full grown adult. But if I ever have to get another vaccine, i’ll look into it, and post the results here 
Snowflake wrote the following post at Fri, May 28 2010 9:19 PM:
In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately..and gets you laughed out of the room.
Whats wrong with whale.to? I just googled vaccine graph… 
I don’t know the answer to the OP, but this Mises daily article explains the history behind people injecting us with poison for a living.
Back in the 1800s, mainstream medicine was called allopathy. It consisted of “bloodletting and high-dose injections of metal and metalloid compounds containing mercury or antimony.” Homeopaths, on the other hand, emphasized diet, hygiene, and stress-reduction. Unsurprisingly, homeopathy worked sometimes and allopathy didn’t. So in 1910, the Carnegie Foundation stepped in, labeled the homeopaths “quacks,” and closed down all the medical schools except those that would support the pharmaceutical industry.
It’s one of the best Mises dailies I’ve read so far. Fascinating stuff.
Snowflake,
I notice that your data, wherever it came from (I don’t consider data without a source to be credible, by the way) does not even bother providing the data for the textbook example for the advocacy of vaccines: small pox. Ergo, it is guilty of sample bias.
Again, without wanting to do too much research, I have procured the following:
source: Sinclair, , 1992: Vaccination: the hidden facts, Ian Sinclair, Ryde, NSW.
It appears in this article on smallpox.
Anyway, as far as I can see, some vaccines seems to really nab the disease, and some don’t. I think vaccines are one method of stopping disease. I don’t think we should let the failure of vaccines from 50 or more years ago discourage what we think current vaccine treatments can do. By the same token, there’s a lot to be said about the role of nutrition in a healthy immune system.
Here’s a random theory:
Vaccines actually did work for smallpox, successfully eradicating the disease. Then someone said, “Hey, let’s figure out vaccines for all these other terrible diseases. That would be great!” Unfortunately, none of the other vaccines worked very well. But since they worked for smallpox, everyone was grateful for this “miracle” technology and got the shots anyway. Vaccine companies started making a lot of dough. As the evidence that the vaccines didn’t actually work gradually built up, it was discredited or suppressed to protect big pharma’s interests. So today we’re stuck with a few vaccines that actually work and a whole bunch that do nothing except give us horrible side-effects.
I have Lyme disease, which is caused by a really nasty bacteria called a spirochete (same organism that causes syphilus). A Lyme vaccine called LYMErix developed by GlaxoSmithKline was approved by the FDA in 1998. It was a complete and utter failure, which is no surprise if you actually understand the complexity of the disease. Hardly anyone bought it, and many recipients experienced bad side effects. It was pulled from the market in 2002. Meanwhile, all the “experts” at the CDC and IDSA who developed the “official” guidelines for treating Lyme (which are completely arbitrary and cause doctors to mistreat the disease) had huge stakes in the development of the vaccine. The guidelines also serve the Insurance industry by saving from paying for long-term antibiotic treatment. And guess what? The doctors who wrote the guidelines were also insurance company cronies.
The pharmaceutical industry does not want to cure diseases. Farmers do not want hunger to disappear. Like war is the health of the state, disease is the health of big pharma. It’s no wonder that none of their synthetic concoctions work, and that they constantly suppress the healing power of natural substances, which are harder to profit from.
