So you can’t answer it. You’re just another babbling Obamamaniac, who hasn’t read his policy positions, and cannot point out any achievement he has that would back up your belief in his divine right to be President.
Exactly what I thought. It is opinions like this, not based in reality or rational thought, that have brought the world to the place it is today.
I can’t talk to you anymore. You’re completely obtuse.
In the past elections the candidate that (regretfully) won got some 62 millions votes – which means that some 240 million Americans DIDN’T vote for the clown who rules them…
The same thing will be true about obama…
"So you can’t answer it. You’re just another babbling Obamamaniac, who hasn’t read his policy positions, and cannot point out any achievement he has that would back up your belief in his divine right to be President.
Exactly what I thought. It is opinions like this, not based in reality or rational thought, that have brought the world to the place it is today."
Politics is also emotion. This is the first time in my life I see this planet united in a single cause. When Hitler won supported by Nazi Germany from minute one he faced opposition from abroad.
Not this time. An opportunity of building peace across cultures is being opened. Everyone’s ideas should be welcomed. I am sure I will disagree with some of Obama’s policies at some point early in his term of office. But he is pledging to listen what people say. He would try to make an effort to listen to your views if you make an effort to reach out. I do not think he is trying to exclude your views. Neither am I.
Again, God bless America. The founding fathers should be proud in their graves that they built a system that almost three centuries later made a moment of hope like this happen to the great grandchildren of their great grandchildren-.
Is it obtuse to celebrate what one has been fighting for? I have the right to celebrate what I consider is an achievement of the American people, of a country for which I have a special place in my heart in spite of the current enmities and threats of war and sanctions.
This time the turnout was a lot higher.
Jon,
I have read that other people write about you that you just won’t listen to other people. But here you are proving why you deserve being a moderator. You express your feelings and emotions without putting people down, and you sound very sincere.
Thank you for keeping this forum alive. I don’t understand you much, but I definitely respect you a lot.
Rubén
That type of line sums up the general atmosphere of many around me, for today.
For some, you can tell they are in denial about the entire thing, but generally lack the specific information about what that “something is wrong” actually is (i.e. democracy, the status quo, statism, etc.). They struggle to understand different concepts, opinions, & arguments, & some eventually end up actually getting beyond the existential confusion of merely being apathetic. I can accept failure to communicate with these individuals, since there is at least effort on both sides.
For others, being purposely obtuse is more or less embraced, as such general ignorance is utilized by many others around them. The reasoning, I guess tantamount to an ultimate rationalization of the rule of majority: if the majority believe it, it must be true. If the majority is ignorant, I must follow suite (not necessarily consciously either, some do not even realize it is going on). Failure in this case, with an individual, is especially bitter, as the memetic virus of Ignorance continues to spread despite one’s efforts & time spent.
Trying to fight (let alone tolerate) the mysticism of popular political discourse is draining.
America is heading straight towards Fascism, but it will happen precisley because it won’t appear to be the “same” as the Fascism that came to Weimar Germany.
The Founding Fathers would’ve ditched this popsicle stand a century ago, imo.
Liberty student:
I am disappointed that you removed your friendship from me on the home page. I do not know what it really works for, but still I lament that you chose to remove my picture from there.
You remind of the broken families and divorces that occur for political reasons. Here in Venezuela I have friends from both the Chávez camp and the opposition camp. I am in the ooposition camp. But still I can maintain friendship with people on the Chávez side and enjoy friendship through aspects other than political discourse.
Mr. Chávez acts the same way you just did, when he is in disagreement with someone he just pulls that person off his world, denies their existence and invites them to become enemies.
Friendship is not only for partying and for agreeing. It is also sometimes for saying harsh things that can make you grow as a person.
I hope you consider that political or ideological differences are aside from friendship which is what unites human beings.
Merci.
Rubén
Could be. I do not deny there is always that risk. Within the happiness I experience right now, I promise you I will keep an eye on that possibility. We should try nevertheless by our available means not to let that happen.
Cheers,
Rubén
Social ostracism does not one make a dictator
That is a matter of opinion.
-Jon
Well said.
I’m posting this in the hopes that unclicking the “email me replies to this post” will stop filling up my inbox. Enough is enough, people!
Rubén, you’re behaving in extraordinarily bad taste. In case you hadn’t noticed, you are posting at mises.org. The Austrian community here at Mises, almost without exception, believes Barack Obama to be a man with a very evil agenda, differing only in age and style from John McCain, or even from George Bush. You might find this all fun and celebratory, but you’re advised to take your celebrations elsewhere, they’re not appreciated one whit by anyone in this forum. This fabulous “achievement of the American people” will be about as much fun as a jar full of acid in the face, in the long run, and the people you are talking to have very few illusions left about that. We see this election, regardless of which fascist wins, as the death-knell of what was left of America. Please leave us in peace; we’re not much in the mood for celebration.
I’ve been reading this horrible thread as it has appeared in my handheld all day and I finally figured I wanted to see what was up. I have to wonder if the same comments that all of you make here would be made so strongly in person. I want to leave you all with a quote from today’s Dave Barry column. It reminds me that in the coming months, as the global economy will continue to descend into absolute shitcake, the commodity that will be in the shortest demand is going to be goodwill.
"… unlike today, when people wear out their upper lips sneering at those who disagree with them, the 1960s grown-ups of my memory, whoever they voted for, continued to respect each other and remain good friends.
What was their secret? Gin. On any given Saturday night they consumed enough martinis to fuel an assault helicopter. But also they were capable of understanding a concept that we seem to have lost, which is that people who disagree with you politically are not necessarily evil or stupid. My parents and their friends took it for granted that most people were fundamentally decent and wanted the best for the country. So they argued by sincerely (if loudly) trying to persuade each other. They did not argue by calling each other names, which is pointless and childish, and which constitutes I would estimate 97 percent of what passes for political debate today.
What I’m saying is: we, as a nation, need to drink more martinis.
No, you know what I’m saying. I’m saying, now that this election is over, whatever the hell happened, can we please grow up and stop being so nasty to each other? Please?" - Dave Barry
Actually, I would make exactly the same comments in person. Especially to you, as I speak exactly the same language than you. Since we are both colleagues, as we are both pure Mathematicians.
You’re 100% right. I am totally drained from this election, strictly from my interactions online, although I did step outside this afternoon to see my next door neighbor with an Obama/Biden sign on his lawn.
So apparently mysticism and stupidity are the prevailing attitude of the day. I mean, read up thread, the nonsense about unifying a world, and someone being able to do it, YES HE CAN. It’s like being in a zombie trance, spouting incantations and prayers to the gods.
Every day, the liberty colony looks better and better, because I want to believe we can win the fights at home, but when we’re surrounded by so many stupid people, who want to to vote for coercion, theft, murder and really believe it is a good thing BECAUSE, then maybe it is time to take leave of these fools, these dangerous looters and start anew.
That’s not an endorsement of the liberty colony. It is an endorsement of abandoning people like Ruben, who have no ethics, who deal with everything subjectively, who do not act rationally, using the full capacity of a human mind, but instead spiritually, like an animal. These people are beyond education and reform. They are full grown adults that are empty vessels of lies and irrationality.
Utterly disgusted today. I was really hoping the Republicans would steal the election again. Instead, this is just going to reinforce to the Obama fanatics that politics is a tool they can use to punish their enemies.
Obama, like McCain, like Bush is a murderer and a criminal. Obama has voted to steal, and he has voted to kill. It saddens me to see cattle like Ruben applauding his election.
No one is your colleague. You are a looter and a statist.
I do not agree. Many other’s do not seem to mind debating Ruben.
Please learn from your wise moderator Jon:
“That is a matter of opinion”.