Yes, and I am happy he is going to be president. When his “change” goes monumentally awry, no one will be able to blame “capitalism” or laissez-faire. At best they’ll be stuck doing what Republicans do, saying they only messed up because they inherited a problem. It’s good, for liberty.
-Jon
You are defintley a supporter of a Statist, but it is curious you came here regardless.
And I have learned enormously on lots of economics topics from all of you guys. Thank you for having me in.
We’re not friends. You are a looter and a statist. You applaud and cheer when looters and statists get a mandate, and you long for them emotionally to transform your world by hurting me and others.
I find you utterly distasteful. I think you are either incredibly naive or ignorant, because your evil seems innocent enough.
That said, I removed my friendship with you, because I don’t want to sully the character of the other people on my friend’s list who understand liberty, who fight for liberty and want to achieve liberty in our lifetimes. To us, you are the enemy. You are someone who endorses a system of slavery and coercion.
You do not deserve to be on that list. Obama is a murderer and a thief, and here you are throwing it in all of our faces, how you cheer him on to transform the world with more murder and more theft. By restricting more rights, and kowtowing to more global business interests.
I don’t know why you are here Ruben. There is nothing even remotely Austrian about your viewpoints, which are so sophomoric, that no one here is going to be swayed towards such stupidity and evil.
The founding fathers would be cleaning and loading their muskets right now. Or actually, they would probably have been thrown in Gitmo as terrorists, thanks to people like Obama and McCain.
That shows you I am much more open-minded than what could be believed in the first place. The world is full of people with different ideas, and somehow we all have the potential to learn something from each other.
And I came here because I value this forum and because I agree very much with the two books of Rothbard that I have read as a recommendation from this forum.
I do not consider myself as a statist. I just believe the state has a value and a purpose and should not be eliminated. But I agree that it has become increasingly large. And still I realize Rothbards’s thesis that no matter how small a state is, its natural tendency is to grow like a cancer.
Ideas will always be full of contradictions. They are part of life.
No, you are actually a looter and a statist. You’re pro-theft, pro-violence, pro-slavery. That is the system you endorse. Don’t run from it. Embrace it the same way you enthusiastically rush to place your head on Obama’s global breast of hope and change!
Well, there is an objective test here at mises.org, multiple choice, that has 25 questions, one is keynesian, another is Chicago, another is socialist, and another is Austrian. The scoring is: 4 points for the Austrian answer, 2 points for the Chicago answer, 1 point for the socialist answer, 0 points for the socialist answer. I took the test and scored 85 when I had just signed in here.
So I consider myself I have somewhat a decent beginners knowledge of Austrian Economics.
If that’s the case, I will have no choice but to agree with you.
But if things work out, perhaps there could be an opportunity to advance on further frontiers.
Says the rapist to his victim, “Give it a chance.”
ehhhh, Im going to wear all black tomorrow and paint a circle A on my forehead
I just wanted to highlight those two statements as they seem to speak for themselves.
I agree actually, I think either candidate would make the situation worse in terms of the economy and civil liberties, thus setting the objective conditions for a revolution. However, in terms of helping the subjective conditions, Obama would definately be better.
I hope that in four years time when there’s a few more wars going on, the government has grown and the economy has deteriorated (sp?) and none of this “change” has actually occured people will realise what a farce and a scam democracy really is. I’m not counting on it though, the American people seem to have a memory span of just under 4 years.
I think this a bit harsh to be truthful, the vast majority (make that everyone) of my friends is a statist to some extent or another. Isolating ourselves makes no sense.
They don’t.
One thing is to have a small state as explained by Hobbes centuries ago, while leaving the majority of issues in parivate hands.
And another very different is to have a superstate where everything is socialized and there is no room left for private enterprise.
Examples of both kinds of states exist in today’s world. The former have happier citizens than the latter.
There’s nothing more I can say really.
You probably mean Locke. Hobbes embraced the idea of a Leviathan, a word used today to describe a totalitarian regulatory nanny-state.
I think it should be re-titled to “2009”.
Looks like reality managed to half-ass an inevitability by about 2 decades, just barley.
From wikipedia (of course, TOW is no expert)
Statism (or Etatism) is a very loose and often derogatory term that is used to describe:
Mmmm, so legitimacy is about maximizing happiness?
Your friends come to Mises.org and lecture me on the benificence of the state, they’ll get a post slap in the face too.
If Ruben is going to hang around, he needs to get real and be honest. I know I asked you (and others) to give him some room, but I was blind and y’all could see. I figured he needed time to figure it out, not that he was a proud promoter of violence and theft.
I apologize to you. To Ruben, you’d best wake up or stick to economics. Your politics of fear, control and insecurity at our expense are not appreciated or held in high regard.