Eisenhowers Crusade in Europe? Its a book about the prosecution of the war, nor about Nazi war crimes per say.
But they are mentioned, did you miss his trip to Gotha?
“during WW2, Churchill suspended Habeas Corpus”
guys, he’s giving you the actual law…its either public record or not…are you suggesting this is not true?
“The Jews laugh in private at the Holocaust Story”
No we don’t.
Countries do that when in war and being bombed.
What does Churchill’s suspension of Habeas Corpus have to do with Nazi death camps? His whole (fallacious) argument attempts to invalidate mainstream history by proving that the Allies were just as evil as the Nazi’s. This cannot be done, even if it were true (which it probably is).
I gave you the specific law, 18B, has anybody here spend even two minutes to research it?
It’s not hard. Simple google->wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Regulation_18B which proves it’s real (even when it’s highly biased and states only 22 people detained)
Another simple search in google “regulation 18B thousands detained” gives us a good forty pages document stating the exact
“The Government did not make public the full list of names of members who were interned though the
total number of detainees was reported to Parliament as “About 700” (Parl. Deb. Volume 376 House
of Commons C 849-52) and to the War Cabinet as “753” (CAB 65/10 WM(40))”
Even wikipedia recognizes the numbers grow bigger than a thousand.
The wikipedia article (which I considered biased but still) links to the American version;
They keep in prison those who knew too much, like Captain Ramsay who;
“introduced another Private Member’s Bill called the “Companies Act (1929) Amendment Bill”, which would require shares in news agencies and newspapers to be held openly and not through nominees. In his speech promoting the Bill, Ramsay claimed the press was being manipulated and controlled by “international financiers” based in New York who wanted to “thrust this country into a war””
He was arrested and silenced until the war ended.
Dear libertarians, people were detained without trial and you let them get away with it?
There were not Nazi death camps, there were detention camps, labor camps, for forced work specially munition, and those are not my words, but Churchill, De Gaulle, Eisenhoower and Red Cross words. What was and has been proven but censored are millions of germans starved to death in a planned genocide of hate and revenge by the allies. So, yes, a holocaust happen, caused by the allies, they started bombing cities and continued starving surrendered germans. I posted dozens of books, links, names, checked them out before posting.
So, we have a country, an island, not being threatened, in fact, the biggest empire, with the strongest naval force, a country highly respected by Germany, a Germany that wants and works day after day to get his alliance, or at least his neutrality.
The people in this country warned they are being pushed and manipulated into a stupid unnecessary war, they ended declaring war, but only formally, a “phony war” as it was called, a joke. In fact many british supported and understood german claims to german territories where ethnic germans were living under other countries rule, countries that refused any kind of peaceful negotiation for decades.
So, how was a small territorial dispute by the germans, which which many europeans agreed they were right end turning them into invading forces? The Anschluss was peaceful, who sell it to the West as “a dangerous invasion”? Why don’t you ask this critical questions? You like to start in the middle ot things with already decided conclusions, that’s not a honest truth-seeking approach. That’s an agenda based approach.
You answer your own question, Churchill got Britian into an unncessary war and suspended Habeas Corpus (and murdered hundred thousands of British by getting them into war and by putting british civilians are risk by starting bombing german cities).
Let’s say it clear and louder, Churchill started total war. He broke the british-french-german agreement of only attacking military objectives.
Was he more evil? More than that, he was the Evil behind the War, he was the War itself, the father of modern total war, a total war he created.
for another European war and to advance the jewish agenda (which exists, check their power how they got a whole country and destroyed the most sacred right, free spech by putting into prison historian who dares to criticize them)…
t’s easy to understand, the Germans (and lots of countries and people) believe jews to be loyal only to the jews and were not allowed to escalate into government positions out of fear they will work against the country. Jews have strong bonds between them, double nationality and it’s a fact they have massive power with very little numbers. Non-jews fear their control and enacted laws in their countries to not allow jews into high power positions. The Jews were anger by that and declared boycott and economic and sabotage war against Germany for daring to not allow them into their Government/banking/corporations. They maneuver Britain and the US against them and launched a propaganda campaign…
Talking about the “Holocaust” of supposedly 6 millions (which no serious researcher defends now, at most a million, and due to hunger of the lasts years of bombing of Germany) when 60 million Christians were murder in the Soviet Union, who was lead in a 90% by Jews is insulting…
I don’t want to hate or go against anybody…
ith total war appear during and after revolutions instigated and financed by jews…
This is not a call for antisemitism or anything bad, the worse I could suggest is to not allow Jews into government and divest more intelligence, police and judicial resources into people who work together for their common goal…
In fact, jews should be the most anti-jewish group of all…
scarifying them (scarify?.. “all your bases are belong to us now!?”)…
it’s a fact they accepted the sacrifice of hundred of thousands of jews being rounded up in Germany if with that they could win Palestine, they sacrifice their people (I thought the holocaust [or as you might put it, the lolocaust… 4chan talking points anyone?.. didn’t happen, but ok, now it did and Jews were complacent)
high ranking rabbis and jews are a shame for the real pacific jews (I like Californian Jews too )…
out of sheep societal union to their jewish corporation (it’s a mafia like organization atop, disguising and using a religion and his follower as tools…
but most jews and of course the leading ones refuse to accept people of their faith instigated revolutions to take control of countries and install central banking/debt based economies and fractional reserve legal protection for their plunder. Curios..Oh I know why, they are still at it!
Even if this weren’t ripped directly from 4chan, it is clear that the objectivity of the argument has been established, and at a very low level.
Also @ underlined parts… what?
Sacrificed, yes, because they were going to be in a war, their cities bombed, they detained, put into prisons where many would die due to malnutrition and their following illness. Are you going to post any useful facts or negate the veracity of any of the sources I brought? Or just waste space in the thread?
There are two types of people, open minded who welcome new information, check it to make their knowledge stronger and more coherent, more verified and close-minded who hear one point of view and stick to it.
My marginal utiliy is being diminished here, I already gave a warning that many things in this subjects should be revised. It’s up to the readers here now to go back and check the books, names and facts.
lulz
I was just thinking that if I was the sovereign and wanted to hide all my conspiracies in plain sight, I would simply find the most emotional racists I could find and just tell them the truth, but add that the perpetrators were all members of their hated race. Then I would sit back and let them do what they do best. Yeah… I would make a damn good sovereign.
what would’ve been an Austrian way for Americans to have stopped Hitler?
To redo the years 1900-1920 among other snowballing sociological effects from the French Revolution.
No one has provided any evidence to counter that gas chambers don’t exist, and mass graves don’t exist. It’s instead been a big thread of bitching about logical fallacies and incorrect methodology without addressing the actual question (or rather a tactic to avoid the question completely and make it seem that those who ask the questions are incorrect in doing so). If the topic and question is so simple and that the answer is so obvious then give sources to back your case (Player has provided a good amount of links to books, and I have provided videos, both of which include David Irving). You can either read sources online (such as Did Six Million Really Die? which is a short read) or smear it as neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic propaganda and ignore it completely. You can even find videos of David Cole (who’s Jewish) discussing the Holocaust with Ernst Zundel (who published DSMRD?).
Even though the question I’m proposing is different than what this thread was originally about, it’s seem to hijack the thread, and become the main topic, at which the question at hand still stands, and remains unanswered on the side of what I’ll refer to as the textbook Holocaust story supporters: did gas chambers exist?
Probably, but perhaps not in Germany. The ones that seemed to have really convincing evidence of their existence were in Poland (built by Nazis of course). Also, as we mentioned earlier, the actual number killed was closer to five million than six.
But how “probably”? The same “probably” as the Katyn massacre that the West Press and Governments blame on Nazis? When it was on Soviet controlled soil!
An interesting application of the law of unintended consequences is that good Austrian economisst are indeed perfeclty equiped to rule very profitably (for themselves). Should any of the ruling Houses of pre-WW1 Europe have had a training in AE, their kingdoms would never have fallen.
Or maybe they had and that’s why they were destroyed? Because they stand in the way for universal fiat central banking?
I also want to refer here very frankly to a very difficult matter. We can now very openly talk about this among ourselves, and yet we will never discuss this publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30, 1934, to perform our duty as ordered and put comrades who had failed up against the wall and execute them, we also never spoke about it, nor will we ever speak about it. Let us thank God that we had within us enough self-evident fortitude never to discuss it among us, and we never talked about it. Every one of us was horrified, and yet every one clearly understood that we would do it next time, when the order is given and when it becomes necessary.
I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people.[25]
Heinrich Himler
The same day[26] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock…
The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”[28
Dwight D Eisenhower
Camp physician and SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considers the facts of Auschwitz “so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all”, and describes those who negate what happened at the camp as “malevolent” people who have “personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence.”[147] Zyklon-B handler and SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be “crazy or on the wrong”.[148] SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk has stated that he does not consider those who maintain such a thing as normal people.[149] Hearing about Holocaust denial compelled former SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[150] stating:
I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.[151]
Pasting text is not proof, you have to prove how this text came to us and how it is proven to be said by whom and when.
The text you quote was supposedly said by Himler October 4,1943 before a gathering of SS-Gruppenfuhrer at Posen, Poland.
Except that it wasn’t, it’s a fabricated accusation against him at his “trial”, exactly Nuremberg Document 1919-PS, which was refuted.
You can read a long refutation here: http://www.conspiracybomb.com/holocaustrevisionism2.htm