Feeling Isolated

I grew up a liberal, in the modern sense leftist sense of the term. All of my family, friends, teachers & professors, and people near to me I looked up to are liberal.

By reading the works of Austrian Economics, my eyes were gradually opened to real economics and the truth about government. I’ve read dozens of books by writers including Mises, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Hayek, and many others over the past couple of years. Because of this reading, the transformation from my old thoughts to the new has gone a long way - I’ve gone from believing what most liberals do to seeing that we would be better off without any government at all.

That, unfortunately, is by far the easiest thing for me to have changed - my thinking, based on careful reasoning, logic, and challenging the assumptions behind economic theories and theories on gov’t.

What isn’t easy, at all to me, is to know that the way I think and see the world is so different than that of almost everyone I personally know.

I just got off the phone with my brother, who is an extremely driven and upstanding guy (much more than myself) who does his best to do an honorable job in the military, and the conversation, about whether or not to come back from China and go to work in the States, ended with me saying I didn’t want to work for the gov’t because most jobs within it I find morally wrong to hold.

Of course, he came back with “so is the military morally wrong?”, and I said “it depends what it does”..

Needless to say it pissed the hell out of him.

The point of that little story is this: In some ways I feel separate from those I’m closest to, and think they look at me as some crazy guy.

How do you deal with this? How do you go about not alienating the people you are closest to while still holding strong to your ideas? What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I’m utterly astonished that a true American liberal could undergo such a metamorphosis. May I ask how old you were when you reached your epiphany and how long you interpreted reality through the liberal lens?

About 26, and I had mostly liberal views for the time before that. But none of them were extremely carefully thought through, they were just part of my worldview (which was reinforced by almost everything around me) and seemed self-evidently true.

You’re not on a crusade to convert people, keep it to yourself. If you have a friend that likes to discuss politics, then go for it, otherwise keep it to yourself, nobody wants to hear it and you’re only going to piss people off talking about it.

Ask questions, that are designed to probe. Question their premises.

Political change doesn’t have to be hostile. You can easily get your friends to listen to reason by giving them a libertarian book as a present.

But friendship isn’t about converting people. It’s about having a good time, and talking about life in general. So don’t be obsessive about libertarianism - it’s not your job to convert everyone you know.

Realize that you can help in other less confrontational ways, e.g. writing articles, donating money, or volunteering for the campaign for liberty, etc.

We could all learn a thing or two from Milton Friedman, who I admire for his ability to remain on friendly terms with even his most ardent opponents.

You have to be very delicate. The family member in the military is a very tough one, because in the mainstream American consciousness, military service is considered more noble than being a doctor, priest or teacher. I never realized how much America is based around the warrior culture until I became an anarchist. The US is the one country I know of in the world where peace is not a universal virtue.

Be patient. It takes time to find a level of comfort.

I’d recommend looking for outlets online like this, and maybe locally (a libertarian meetup?) where you can socialize with people who are ideologically similar.

I debate my family and friends about economics a lot.

It is hard not to do. For some reason, people have just as much faith in government as they do in God.

I think humans in general are unable to think critically.

I am a very non compromising person…

With that said, I work for Disneycorp, the home of American Communism, if you ever work there with the mindset you have, you will understand that this is the one true truth about Disney…

I am constantly badgered by leftist co-workers, I am not an anarchist, I am a small government supporter (I know it is contention for some people here, but not the point), and the question always pops up when economy or politics comes up and I say my piece, “How can you be so sure?”

I answer, “I know I am right.”

Conviction to a principle, live by it, answer when asked, but leave preaching it to the people that are in the business of doing that, unless of course you are looking to be in the business of advocating your beliefs.

When it comes to those closest to you, friends and family, try to avoid the topic, for the sake of your own mental peace, if you are in the business of advocating your beliefs, in any form of media, demand to avoid the topic with these people.

My Aunt is Ultra Left Wing, the last time I talked to her I said, “I love you because you are my family, but I will not discuss my politics with you ever,” this was quite some time ago…

The fact is, if they leave you because of your beliefs, then they love their beliefs more than you, and therefore you are better off seeking other people out…

Do not know how much help that is… just my 2 cents

WOW…

Though I agree that they are easily offended, I find them very difficult to understand, when I apply logic to them it is like they shut down, like a robot with a paradox inconsistency…

I find it helps to accept a tragic view of life.

lol

I know you probably were serious, but you still made me chuckle.[:)]

I’m sure you’re quite a bore too, so no losses.

You know the old saying “don’t discuss religion or politics”…

I am the only anarchist I know and whenever it comes up in a discussion it just makes me laugh. Most people believe that anarchist is synonymous with chaos, lovely proof of ignorance.

I think that when you are in harmony with yourself and your beliefs then the ones close to you will feel it…

I have a similar problem as the military paid for my dads education. He was poor growing up and has become succesfull through working. But my point is your not alone.

O damn!

A good outlit is political crossfire talk to a guy named Naythn he’s a very open sensitive indivual.

He is a moderator so apparently he can post stuff like this.

Another reason a person should not have a monopoly on power?

Don’t worry, it’s nothing personal.