Only the happiness of the majority of looters.
Not really. I could have omitted that phrase, since it wasn’t really adding much to my point.
Mises.org, as far as I know, is a nonprofit organization that promotes debate with an emphasis in Austrian Economics. Nowhere have I seen within this website that certain kind of views can be encouraged and others should be censored or post slapped in the face.
This is a forum of freedom. I am free to post whatever I want as long as I follow some courtesy and decency standards.
And I have NEVER promoted violence and theft. On the contrary, you are being very violent to me and my views. I have done nothing to you personally. I am only exercising my Freedom of Speech as guaranteed by the U.S. constitution First Amendment.
You don’t have freedom of speech.
I wouldn’t be so optimistic. First, the economy can deteriote for decades longer before people start questioning the regime. And these days, they’re more likely to blame the market rather than the government intervention for the problems. Also, Obama is such a media darling and the public is so in love with him that he can probably get away with practically everything short of outright murder.
I’m not staff. You’ll get a post slap if you try to coerce me, or to tell me that coercion is good, or that you are rejoicing that coercers and murderers are winning elections.
You are free to post whatever LvMI lets you post, as am I. I however am under no obligation to give an open berth to your love of pain and suffering.
Sure you have. Obama has been voting for and campaigning on death and thievery for 2 years. Your holy unifier is an evil man.
Your views are so lame, you can’t even explain them.
You don’t even understand the things you post. Your freedom of speech is not guaranteed by the First Amendment. It is protected by the First Amendment. Free Speech is natural right. It exists in the absence of, and prior to any government.
Second, it is a provision that limits the government from censoring your speech, not a private website. Mises.org is a publisher, and they can edit/delete your posts as they wish. That’s how ownership of private property works.
You’ve got a lot to learn.
At least some good came out of it, McCain claimed that blacks should be proud because Obama won. I lol’d.
Thank you very much, Sphairon.
I definitely meant Locke. The Venezuela I live today is becoming very close to that totalitarian regulatory nanny-state that Hobbes refers to in Leviathan, where private enterprise is being nationalized and the few of us who still believe in honest, private business must work harder to make ends meet.
For that reason it amuses me when I read other people’s commenting that I am a “statist” without having met me personally or having ever set a foot in this country to experience personally what socialism inflicts to real people in the real world.
McCain has always demonstrated to have character. I think he still has a lot of future and a lot to offer.
Not just me. You must learn about humility, a virtue you utterly lack. You must learn about accepting defeat. Your views were defeated by voters in America and those voters were supported by cheerful people all over the world. Are you pretending that you alone are right and that half of humanity alive is wrong and we all must learn from you? Come down and get real. Get used to the new world order of inclusion, not the exclusion you promote. T’es pas un peu fou?
I suggest you to start posting other threads. This post is already becoming boring and deja vu. If you want me to learn from you, perhaps you will have a better opportunity to do so if you just calm down, concede and switch the subject to something more benefitial to this forum.
Holy cow, how much crying about being a victim are you going to do?
We’re all afflicted by socialism. We’re all susceptible to state violence at any time.
You are a statist, because you think the state is the answer, just in a different form. You obviously don’t understand history because democracy always leads to tyranny. It is a precursor. And Obama is just going to be one massive fascist/socialist shift. But like a puppy dog, you will blindly follow and worship him, even though, you can’t explain in rational intelligent arguments, why you worship him so!
And that is because there is nothing there. He is a nobody who has never accomplished anything, except be the latest successful face for the new world order.
I’ve been to Venezuela. The reason why Venezuela is the way it is, is because people like you believe that if you can get control of a system of corruption, theft and murder, you can control it. When history has shown, the act of gaining power, will end up controlling you.
But not when it comes to Venezuela. I guess he’s so sick of Chavez that he wants Americans to be happy with a more civilized version of his.
Yeah, McCain had a lot of character when he sang about “bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran” bombing innocent civilians, but then he is a war criminal, participating in the illegal and immoral Vietnam war, where he bombed innocent civilians and their villages from his fighter plane.
A real character that McCain. I wonder how many he personally killed? 1,000? 5,000?
That’s a lot of blood on his hands, and we’re not even talking about his votes in the Congress and Senate to murder, incarcerate and steal. Or his votes to kill 1 million Iraqis. Or his votes to sanction and starve 500,000 Iraqi kids.
Yeah, a real character. LET’S HOPE THE BEST IS NOT TO COME!
You entirely missed the point.
I think this is bogus. Hobbes was not totalitarian, but an authoritarian. He was for laissez faire.
Right now, I’m not displaying humility. But when I have to lick the boots of my masters, the ones you endorse, you can bet I am humbled and diminished.
Now that is funny coming from a statist.
Yes. They also defeated the views of Ron Paul, a patron of this organization, and Lew Rockwell, the President of this organization. Our views were defeated because so many people voted, instead of withholding consent from a corrupt system, or at the very least, voting for principles.
Again, I’m not an American. I am a Canadian. My views are for personal liberty and the right to own property. Views shared by most of us on this site. We don’t give a crap what Venezuelans or Africans or Germans or Russians think about how we should be ruled. We are individuals. We’re sovereign. And your repeated pleas to the majority, just highlight what a collectivist mindset you have.
I’m right because I can prove it.
I’m just pointing out this line to everyone. This is where Ruben is coming from. We must be assimilated. We can’t be individuals. We can’t be sovereign. We can’t have natural rights. Wow.
We’re not going to gloss over the fact that you are for enslavement and coercion. It’s not something we can move past, “it’s all good” because you’ve been called out. If you’re going to continue posting nonsense, then you will be called out to explain and defend it. At one point, you will realize it is indefensible, which will either be an awakening, or you will disappear forever.
I will continue to point out and correct your dangerous views. And I will call them what they are. Evil. Murder. Theft. Repression. Evil.
Why is this? I don’t think LS would deny that he has a lot to learn about libertarianism. This has nothing to do with accepting defeat, LS and just about everybody else on these forums cared for Obama or McCain, perhaps a few (or even most) would have preferred to see Paul, Baldwin or even Barr win. But nobody really expected that and fewer yet would see it as a true victory. Just a lesser evil.
What this has to do with is seeing statism advance further at the expence of liberty and not being thrilled to see people such as yourself “talking with your larynx as opposed to you brain”, especially not on these boards. That is what is so frustrating. Did you even bother to look at the Orwell quote I posted?
All your posts are what Orwell would describe as duckspeak.
No, not at all. Our views cannot be defeated from democracy. Very much unlike yours. If anything our views will only be proven to be yet more correct, or will be ast least.
You mean like, the way they used to say the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around us? Yes, we should definately choose to listen to the enlightened masses, they’ve never proven to be wrong. Likewise for the state.
If this is all you can offer as a rational, intelligent argument, you might as well close shop.
Wikipedia says in “Thomas Hobbes”:
While Hobbes apparently didn’t talk about infringing upon economic freedom in particular, this is most likely due to the fact that economics simply wasn’t the most popular issue of his time. Advocating a “strong central government” whose abuses must be tolerated seems to be a bad foundation to build economic laissez-faire on to me. And even if he had been an advocate of economic laissez-faire, it would’ve constituted a blatant contradiction. If man is not to be trusted in social matters without strong guidance, why should he fare better economy-wise?
I am making my own point, not agreeing or disagreeing with yours.