Fephisto has brilliantly slapped together a hyperboards forum for us. This forum runs on real forum software and simply works. You can quote, use smilies, and it’s never down.
With all due respect to the reddit guys, I don’t like the reddit format as it is more geared around one-liners and quick-links than thoughtful debate/discussion. I’m not discouraging anyone from also participating there, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s an alternative to LvMI forums.
Anyway, my main point is this: Please sign up over at the other forum - it’s free, quick and easy - so when this forum is down (it’s getting close to about 50% of the time, lately) you have some place to post/read. I plan to just post over there whenever I go to post here and the forum software pukes (I always always Ctl+A/Ctl+C).
As I mentioned, there was talk of reviving the old “old forum”…and that is underway. This entire forum history can be migrated over there, and there is even a way to migrate the accounts…so that everyone won’t have to create a new one.
This one doesn’t seem to be down now as much as it was the last day and a half, so if you can hold out for a little longer, you won’t have to worry about creating new accounts, as well as you won’t have a bunch of new discussions that will get lost in a forum that probably won’t grow (as, if this one gets migrated, there’d be no reason for anyone to switch to this one that fephisto just created.)
Evidently, you can’t…hence “Register on the new forum and post there while this one is down”.
And who the hell wants to sit there copy and pasting every single post they make? And why would anyone try to post a reply to a thread here in a forum where the thread doesn’t even exist? What would be the point of that? Did you even think before you posted that?
Fephisto has done an awesome job – cudos for that. I’d still like to know if there is a possibility to migrate the content here to a new and better platform/forum, and if anyone is working on it. If not, I’ll probably register at the hyperboards forum and start posting more there, too.
It was about time that someone took action and added some urgency to the matter.
I’ll beleive it when I see it. LvMI forums has been holding this carrot out on a stick for years now. I’m happy to post at hyperboards while this forum is down, which is plenty. And we’ll see if the end of the rainbow is ever reached regarding “migration”.
Yeah, I know what the topic says. I don’t consider myself obligated to strictly adhere to it.
Yes, John, actually I did. I know it might surprise you, but I really don’t care. Nor do I feel stupid for posting that, despite your best efforts. Be butthurt all you want - I really couldn’t care less. (And yes, I really do think you’re butthurt.)
Also, @JJ, if the other forum gets started and people migrate, great! I’m sure if that happens, then people will naturally leave the hyperboards forum, and I’ll just let it sit and fester with the weeds of spam posts for male enhancement products. But if they don’t, then this works too. Either way, I don’t see any issue with having more outlets. Even now (even though it’s only just begun), it seems to be more of a sidelines forum than a replacement.
Best efforts? Seriously, this again? I really thought you had grown out of that.
I can understand if you were bullied as a child and thus have this steadfast resolve to show, well, steadfast resolve…this whole idea that “if you think you’re being bullied just stand up to them! Bullies are just softies with no self confidence! They’ll back down!” that you learned in gradeschool may actually work against actual bullies at times. The problem is not everyone who challenges you is a bully. You obviously have a very difficult time accepting this.
You seem to have an ingrained default belief that that’s the case, and that anywhere and everywhere your dignity is being threatened, so you must stand up tall and show how you’re not backing down. These constant declarations of how you’re “not embarrassed” or “won’t be made to feel stupid”…that “I won’t feel shamed. You can’t make me! It’s my choice!” scream your insecurity louder than you do.
It’s more than obvious that you think simply continuing to respond, even when your posts contain nothing more than “nope! Not ashamed!” is somehow a show of willpower, and that you think somehow this will shock your opponent into submission, but what you fail to realize is everyone is not a bully out to get you or make you feel stupid…and your reactions as if they were ironically do more to show your true insecurity than if you didn’t put on this spectacle.
You’re almost 30 years old. Isn’t it about time to grow up?
If you thought I’d just lay down after your latest response, John, you were wrong.
So first you strongly imply that I was stupid for pointing out that there’s nothing stopping a person from posting on both forums. That’s really the only way I can see to take your earlier response. Now you strongly imply that it’s immature of me to stand up to you. In neither case do I agree with your judgement. I think you’re used to bullying - yes, bullying - people into agreeing with you or at least acquiescing to you before too long, which is why my steadfast refusal to agree with your judgement is apparently so frustrating to you. Oh well.
“Obviously”, eh? The funny thing to me is that I’ve never had a problem accepting the notion that not everyone who challenges me is a bully. You don’t have to believe me - I know it for myself. With that said, John, I think you bully people a lot. For example, what other meaning could be inferred from your tone in this post other than it’s a more sophisticated way of saying “OMG SHUT UP! YOU ARE SOOOOO STUPID!!!”? Certainly I can’t see the last sentence of that post - “Did you even think before you posted that?” - being included for any other other reason. If you have an alternative interpretation, I’d really love to hear it.
Most of my responses to you, John, involve that, because I see you as being a bully a lot of the time. Simply berating others for what they’ve said doesn’t promote intellectual discourse IMHO. You post many informative links and videos, which I and others definitely appreciate. But I think your helpfulness is marred, if not overshadowed, by your bullying and otherwise dickish behavior much of the rest of the time. Tell me, how does saying something like “Did you even think before you posted that?” carry any other meaningful assertion other than that the addressee is stupid (at least for having posted what he did) and therefore should believe it for himself?
As I think I’ve said before, in order for an insult to actually work, the target must feel insulted. I don’t. My point with saying things like “I don’t feel stupid”, “I don’t feel ashamed”, etc. is to inform you (or whoever’s making the contrary assertion(s)) that your efforts have been in vain. Certainly I see the larger point of insulting someone to be for the target of the (attempted) insult to back down, which he presumably would do if he indeed came to feel inferior in some way with respect to the person who insulted him. Do you see me backing down, John? No? Then either your efforts have (once again) failed or I’m wrong about your intentions. In the latter case, since you apparently refuse to explain what your real intentions are, I see no reason to abandon the conclusions I’ve made based on the evidence I have.
Regardless, I’d love to hear just what you think I’m insecure about.
As I said above, it’s not about shocking my opponent into submission. What is there for him to submit to me about? And once again, I hardly think that everyone is a bully out to get me or make me feel stupid. You’re hardly everyone, John. You don’t have to believe me here, and I don’t care if you don’t, but I’ve at least noted that for the record. Let me go ahead and also assert that I think your latest response in this thread is simply a redoubling of your efforts to shut me up when you don’t like what I have to say. Finally, you bring up that my behavior shows my “true insecurity” - just what would that be, in your view?
Heh, I guess this meant to be the kicker for your overall effort to shut me up. “Growing up” to you apparently includes no longer responding the way I do when I think you’re being a bully. That’s nice. Thanks for sharing. But I really couldn’t care less. I’m curious though - what kind of response to your earlier post would you consider to be “mature”? Maybe something like, “Gee, John, you’re right, I was being really stupid there, and I shouldn’t have said that. I don’t know what I was thinking”? In other words, a response that agrees with you and indicates a “recognition” of your “superiority”? If that’s the case, then as you’re fond of saying, you should see my big surprised face.
Can someone explain to me why this thread is being treated as a place for petty personal disputes? It’s a little bit irritating reading/skipping over this stuff to find something relevant to the topic. And I suspect that this is happening more frequently as well.
Sure. Actually you’re quite in luck to be wondering this in this particular thread, as if offers a nice overview of the situation. As you can see (particularly evidenced in the link provided) the user with the distraught Captian Picard as his avatar has an issue with self esteem which not only makes him feel under constant attack, but which also enduces a constant need to put on a show of resolve, and (literally) proclaim he will not be made to feel shamed/stupid/bullied or whatever other term suits him at the time.
He is under the impression that this somehow makes him appear strong, and that whoever he feels threatened by will simply not know how to respond to his “astounding” display of “willpower”. Because “bullies” are just softies who only deal with perpetual victim-types who don’t “stand up to them”, so they have no concept of how to deal with someone who doesn’t run away. This is why he will never leave a thread where he feels like someone else got the last word. He will continue posting long after any actual point of discussion has been lost, if to say nothing else than “nope! Still here! And still not ashamed! Now what?”
This is because he was taught somewhere along the line that if you think you’re being bullied, you simply show everyone that you’re not afraid, and the “bully” will backdown. So he makes sure to respond to every single possible post that could possibly be construed as a challenge to him because he can’t risk showing the slightest weakness, thus letting any “bully” “win.”
See he believes that by not responding he ends up appearing to have been “shamed” into submission/ silence, and because of his ingrained need to stand up to “bullies”, he simply has to respond. He can’t not respond. Not just for his own sake, but also because along with this delusion of being constantly victimized (or, I suppose he’d rather me not use that term, as I’m sure we’ll probably get a lecture about how he can’t be made to be a victim if he doesn’t want to be, it’s his choice, and you can’t make him a victim because he won’t let you blah blah blah)…
But in any case, along with this delusion he has also ingrained a guardian complex, in which he is able to make himself feel useful and important by believing he is an advocate for anyone who would-be bullied and simply doesn’t have his same strength so as not to be victimized. See by “standing up to bullies” he serves to not only protect the meek by confusing/ shocking/ shaming the “bullies” into submission with his astounding fearlessness, but he provides them with a role model, showing them what they can achieve, if only they follow his example of always making sure you reply in an Internet forum, and never let any possible direct (or even indirect) post go unaddressed.
If you’re still not clear, don’t worry. A perfect example of this will be made available soon enough…
As I see it, JJ acts like a douchebag, if not an outright bully, much of the time (see here for an example) - and when he does, I choose to call him out on his BS. I’ve made a thread about him in Member Issues, but it’s been to no avail. (Yes, there also happens to be a thread about me in Member Issues, which I’m sure JJ wouldn’t fail to point out if I didn’t beat him to it first.) I maintain that JJ continues to “up the ante” with because he expects me to fold at some point. But I don’t believe I will.
